>> why do you stay with this? i mean, you give a lot of pro bono time to working on these issues. why? >> partly i'm an optimist. i've been at this a while. i have seen, you know, both the good and the bad sides. and i think we can have a better system. and a little bit, you know, if i'm not going to do it, you know, then i can't very well complain if other people don't do it. and also, i keep running into people, and this is, you know, i know a lot of people from the republican campaign world and they'll all say privately to me, "trevor, we need to change the system. this is really not good." i'll run into corporate executives who will say, you know, "this is corrupting. this is not how we ought to run things." and if they're a republican, i'll say, "gosh, would you be willing to do something about that?" and they said, "after the election, you know, i don't want to upset the applecart now. i don't want to draw attention away from our party's nominee. but yes, we need to do something."